Tim, I think each line has its own merit, and I believe you'd find a healthy appetite for Loki motors. The K350 is one of the great motors out there today; AMW has nothing in the long-burn category, and RR is obviously a niche market in and of itself. I think you'd do well here.

I would definitely try some out. 54mm would be my primary interest, but likely a few 38 as well. I'm assuming the cost for reloads and hardware is similar to AT and AMW? From what I understand the Loki's are one of the best motors for all out performance.

Actually their perfomance is all based upon what pressure they are running at per given motor. The actual formula of propellant is pretty simple and not a Ultra high ISP formulation. Youd be suprised.

I'd like to try some of the 38's.

Actually, the 38's if anything are cheaper than AT and CTI comparable loads. They are definitely nice motors - I've got all the 38 casings if anyone wants to try them. Hardware is a hair more expensive than AT, but not too bad. It is definitely worth investing in a good pair of snap ring pliers though (~$25) - I learned that the hard way (and yes, people are welcome to borrow my snap ring pliers too - they're good for 38's and 54's, but I wouldn't try them on anything bigger).

(warning - the I405 is prone to shred light 38mm rockets :D)

I've already got a Loki 54mm case and a K350 load so I'm a ready customer if you start carrying them.

Warren

Actually, the 38's if anything are cheaper than AT and CTI comparable loads. They are definitely nice motors - I've got all the 38 casings if anyone wants to try them. Hardware is a hair more expensive than AT, but not too bad. It is definitely worth investing in a good pair of snap ring pliers though (~$25) - I learned that the hard way.

(warning - the I405 is prone to shred light 38mm rockets :D)

Here is what is cool about the Loki Stuff. Its all based off of 1 formula but run at different Kn and pressure. Some manufatures run different stuff like catalist. Loki just bumps the KN up around 400 and runs the I405 at about 1800psi. Where as the longer burn motors are the same propellant but with one long grain in a offset core hole. They run the Kn much lower and a lower pressure closer to 600psi. Then most of their standard burn stuff the run KN from 28 to 380 with Pressure ranging from 750 to 1000 in 38 and 54mm stuff and the larger 75mm motors and 98 and all the way to 6" stuff is run around 750 to 800psi at a KN of 280 to 300. I do like their performance and the ability to spread it out.

Well, I wasn't commenting on propelant formulations or ISP numbers, that is simply over my head. All I was saying is that my understanding from people who have flown Loki's, is that they seem to have some of the best performing (commercially produced) motors for a given impulse class, like the K350. Obviously it depends on what you want, but I have a new bird that is just begging for a moonburning K.

Well, I wasn't commenting on propelant formulations or ISP numbers, that is simply over my head. All I was saying is that my understanding from people who have flown Loki's, is that they seem to have some of the best performing (commercially produced) motors for a given impulse class, like the K350. Obviously it depends on what you want, but I have a new bird that is just begging for a moonburning K.

Sorry if that was OT, Didnt mean to say they were bad or anything like that. I know for alot of people they measure the performance they get with the ISP that is delivered. Performance can come in many forums depending on what you wish to look for. In the case of the K250 with its long burn it is a very cool motor.

Gotta love those Moonburners!

"If you build it, they will come". I'm sure that is just as true for rocket motors as it is for baseball diamonds.

1800psi?

Wow...

The cases are pretty thick though, and the I nozzle is pretty small, so I definitely believe it. They are very noticeable motors, that's for sure 🙂

Takes different nossles for the I405 and I110 but same case. Great propellant! And that J528 is also a kick butt motor. Haven't flown anything in the 54's but have been drooling. I'd do that if I were you Tim, especially with your more than adequate storage and the great customer service you've provided.

True - I was thinking about the I405 nozzle when I wrote that. It's a hair smaller than the nozzle on the AT H268 IIRC.

8) Well, we will get a good look-see at the April Launch. Chris and his dad Ray are going to help Demo the 38 Loki line. Ray will fly his Standard Endeavour on the J528. 740ns. 1.3 sec. Chris will fly his small Endeavour on the H144. 240ns. 1.7sec. I will fly my Thunderbolt on the I110. 484ns. 4.0 sec moonburner, And if time allows, the 1/4 Patriot on the I405. 484ns. 1.3 sec. I will bring more of the loads to MHM so we can all get a good look. One good thing is these loads are a good 20% CHEAPER than AT. That is a nice plus for performance motors. 😀 And thanks to Ray and Chris for their help with cases and rockets! 8)