I'm just tickled exstatic. I won't say I told you so quite yet, but I have to believe relief is on the way for the general hobbyist. Dealers and research enthusiasts might also enjoy relaxed regulations and we'll all be flying higher and bigger and better. But I will wait for the written ruling before I go nuts and start buying bigger loads again. In case you've misplaced the info - get your orders in now to Tim "the Motor Man" Thomas at Tim4glr@aol.com 😀

Great news from Darrell and The Rocketry Planet. And I thought I'd have to wait till April something sometime to start celebrating!!! Read the court ruling for yourself here:
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

WOO....WOO....WOO.....WOOO 😆

Great news from Darrell and The Rocketry Planet. And I thought I'd have to wait till April something sometime to start celebrating!!! Read the court ruling for yourself here:
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

Sooo.....
What do we get in the settlement? Like 10 "K" motors each? 😉

What does it really mean?

Great news from Darrell and The Rocketry Planet. And I thought I'd have to wait till April something sometime to start celebrating!!! Read the court ruling for yourself here:
http://www.rocketryplanet.com/images/pdf/ATFE-03-16-09.pdf

Sooo.....
What do we get in the settlement? Like 10 "K" motors each? 😉

What does it really mean?

Well I think the ATF owes us a couple years of membership free of charge 🙂

http://www.rocketryplanet.com/content/view/2788/30/

HOW COOL IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????

Honestly, despite all we know about the safety record of our sport, I really didn't expect this. We're all asking, how does this change things? In time, it will fall into place. SCIENCE AND LEARNING ARE NOT DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be waiting till all the "i"s are dotted and "t"s crossed and the final judgment is made. The ATF doesn't play fair, so I would expect some bogus new law pretty soon. I have seen way too many changes based on a whim in gun laws. Plus, by the time the judge makes the final decision - to drop the law all together - my new batch of beer should be ready to try......

Greg, brew an extra one or a few - I may have to take up drinking again! Absolutely we will have to wait and see how this all plays out but the thrill of victory in the courts has restored some faith in the systems at work. I am glad to have been and remain a part of the Rocketry way of thinking - safe, fun and self-regulated.

Honestly, this is truly an amazing thing. I have seen/been in legal battles in off road recreation and gun laws with the govt and never has this big of a win happened. 15+ years of writing letters and calling leaders..... I didn't think it was possible. You guys have got to be proud of this!

I'll save one for you to "test" Joe. Honey wheat or Steam/Lager...... Looks like I picked a good time to start brewing again... 😀

One question though. Does TRA & NAR still need money to cover costs?

Indeed, this is awesome. I wouldn't be counting my K motors before they are hatched, though. Some of you are members of other forums, and you may have seen Anthony Cesaroni's comments - he said "I'd be very surprised if the BATFE will take this sitting down and I'm willing to wager that there is plenty of wiggle room left in that regard."

Indeed, something tells me the BATFE isn't going away. All that said? This is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than being on the other end of the stick.

Well-said, John. Being optimistic, maybe this is part of the new administration's "change." I know, stretching hope too far. What it is, is just a judge who could see through lies and false science and a really bad case put forth at our expense--on both sides of it! Just so everyone knows, it's not the BATFE agents pushing this; they're just doing what they are told and their jobs. It's their bosses we have to aware of. Let's just enjoy this victory, even if it's temporary, and keep it safe!

All it takes is a memorandum to change the law. I have seen it over the past 3 years with building legal semi auto arms out of demilled to ATF specs machine gun kits. They don't have to justify anything, they just do it. AND can make it retroactive. They have come to people's homes and taken kits based on a parts sellers manifest that was confiscated. Just because they decided some part needed to be torch cut some more..... No judges, no law makers decisions, just some head honcho flexing his muscles. I don't know what a K motor costs, but imagine some chap coming to your door to collect your $1200 parts kit - or K motor because they went to Tim's house and confiscated his sales records.

So what exactly does this ruling mean?

If APCP is no longer on the explosives list, then we are free to purchase any motors/loads we want with no LEUP required? Does BATFE have ANY jurisdiction regarding motors anymore? What about storage requirements? I assume that the HAZMAT shipping regs are unaffected by this ruling.

All those details are being worked thru now. NAR / TRA sent out something that basically said "don't tear up your LEUP", "don't be rude to your BATFE agent", "Details getting hammered out", etc. Of course there could still be appeals filed by BATFE as well.

While we are all hopeful and feeling pretty chipper, there will almost assuredly be some further discussions, negotiations, perhaps a compromise or two. These things seldom go away quietly.