Check out this flight with Blue Tube on a Warp 9 J1999. Seems like the tube held up or at least didn't shred. I dont think they ever found the rocket though. -Sean

oops it would help if I posted the link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HuTKabj04o

-Sean

Gotta get one of those. For the 2 or 3 frames it's visible it looks like the rockets bent from acceleration. Too cool

I can't remember who told me that they'd never use the stuff again... I've not seen it, haven't played with it, and I have an obvious conflict of interest 😀 That said, someone was quite upset with the stuff... Now I wish I could remember who it was?

Up until that point, I'd heard good stuff about it. OTOH, from what I have heard, it is indeed pretty comparable in weight and price to glass. I've driven over glass and not broken it - I don't know if Blue Tube would be quite that robust?

in the video?

Did it just shred at altitude?

I don't think I'd recommend trying a Warp in anything but fiberglass.

Thanks for the video.

Really? I'd fly warp in plain QT, honestly. It's surprisingly difficult to shred a body tube from thrust alone.

Just for science, you know...

Apogee is just a reseller. You can get all the info from Always Ready Rocketry, who makes it. The early version 1.0 had issues warping in high heat/high humidity, but they claim it's cured in 2.0. Not really an issue for CO flyers. I got a small chunk of 38mm coupler for an ebay and it's VERY stout!

ARR always has some sale going on or free shipping deals. Randy is great to work with.

Just my $0.02.

Ken

Really? I'd fly warp in plain QT, honestly. It's surprisingly difficult to shred a body tube from thrust alone.

I partly agree, but mostly disagree.... you can't fly QT in minimum diameter as it will melt. So you are putting a bigger airframe onto a smaller motor.

Personally, I don't think a 54mm rocket in QT would hold together w/ a J570 😀 The Warp 9 stuff, as well as V-Max, etc would be better served in something other than paper or QT.... There are other obvious variables that come into play. A very tall, skinny rocket is more likely to have issues vs. a squatty one.

I'm not a fan of Quantum. I do really like PML phenolic - I think it is a much better material.

I don't think I'd recommend trying a Warp in anything but fiberglass.

I've flown Warp9 in unreinforced LOC paper tube, granted not a high performance min diameter design, but no ill effects, just a stupid grin that wouldn't go away. 😀

Ken

No doubt, every situation is different. I honestly don't remember the last time I flew a rocket that wasn't minimum diameter - Adrian is likely in the same boat.... so from my perspective, QT is not a good solution. For others, it might be great.

That is good to know about the LOC tubing - that is the same material Madcow uses..

I totaly love QT. Its cheap, takes a killer beating and best of all- no effort to finish. Then again I never fly anything over a J and most of my stuff is 3-4". The only thing I dont like about it is trying to get epoxy to stick well.

It is quite heavy too, but for what I do, no need for performance.

I really want to try the blue tube in the future for a upscale project because again I dont like sanding glass.

Really? I'd fly warp in plain QT, honestly. It's surprisingly difficult to shred a body tube from thrust alone.

I partly agree, but mostly disagree.... you can't fly QT in minimum diameter as it will melt. So you are putting a bigger airframe onto a smaller motor.

Personally, I don't think a 54mm rocket in QT would hold together w/ a J570 😀 The Warp 9 stuff, as well as V-Max, etc would be better served in something other than paper or QT.... There are other obvious variables that come into play. A very tall, skinny rocket is more likely to have issues vs. a squatty one.

I'm not a fan of Quantum. I do really like PML phenolic - I think it is a much better material.

You don't think a 54mm QT rocket would hold up to a 570? Why not? It's more than strong enough. Most people vastly underestimate QT, primarily because PML includes those thin, flexible G10 fins in all their kits, making them prone to shredding at mach or so (which is no fault of the QT - the fins are the problem). I'd quite happily fly 54mm or 3" QT supersonic.

I'm even betting that you could fly a 54mm minimum diameter rocket out of LOC paper on that newfangled CTI longburner. The maximum thrust is 126#, but you'd need a nice paint job so you don't scorch the wax paper 🙂

Edward