Can anyone offer some advice (or better yet, if in the Longmont/North Metro area, be willing to show me) how to do a fiberglass lay up to strengthen the fins on my minimum diameter all-fiberglass Mad Cow Tomach? I was talking to Mark L. at the meeting Saturday, and he's got me convinced it's necessary to avoid flutter.
Open Rocket says my rocket will exceed Mach 2.3 with the motor I plan to fly. Is it necessary to vacuum bag it? Does anyone have the equipment, time, experience and willingness to teach me? I have done next to nothing with fiberglass and absolutely nothing with carbon fiber cloth, and would really appreciate working with someone who has done this before so I can learn what I need to know without risking damage to the airframe and fins on which I've worked SO hard (hours and hours of wet sanding), I couldn't bear the thought of botching it up with bad lay up job.
If this sounds like something you'd be willing to do, please email (david@thepinters.com) or call me (303) 774-7641 (leave a message, I often don't answer calls from unknown numbers). You can post a reply here too, I should get an email when there's a reply.
Thanks in advance,
David Pinter
TRA #3157
I was talking with people about fiberglassing at the meeting too 🙂 Ed directed me to a video series that looks awesome and there is a video in particular that may be of interest to you:
Tip to Tip Fiberglassing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtYYsX3VEmc
Video Series
http://www.youtube.com/user/tfish38/videos
This isn't exactly what you're looking for but until someone else responds I hope that this is helpful.
If you guys have any questions on the videos...feel free to ask..
Tony...tfish38
The video was pretty clear. I picked up some 2oz cloth and 30 minute epoxy. I have an old fin can I'm going to do some practice on. I'm still wondering what vacuum bagging does for you. Seems like you get two things: less weight of excess epoxy and a smoother finish (less sanding). Those are two, very nice advantages. But is it worth the hassle of acquiring a vacuum rig and all the associated consumables? Seems like a pretty costly investment.
I've taught tip to tip to many folks in the club as well as vacuum bagging. I'm usually pretty available although I do work Saturdays. There are a couple articles here in the forums I've done on the process as well as pictures. By the way, Joe Hinton is the best T-to-T and vacuum bagging buddy you could have.
W
I've taught tip to tip to many folks in the club as well as vacuum bagging. I'm usually pretty available although I do work Saturdays. There are a couple articles here in the forums I've done on the process as well as pictures. By the way, Joe Hinton is the best T-to-T and vacuum bagging buddy you could have.
W
Actually, Ken Reilly gave me a call, and we plan to get together this weekend and he's going to show me the ropes. Thanks for the offer. I may hit you up anyway if I have more questions.
The video was pretty clear. I picked up some 2oz cloth and 30 minute epoxy. I have an old fin can I'm going to do some practice on. I'm still wondering what vacuum bagging does for you. Seems like you get two things: less weight of excess epoxy and a smoother finish (less sanding). Those are two, very nice advantages. But is it worth the hassle of acquiring a vacuum rig and all the associated consumables? Seems like a pretty costly investment.
When I bought my rig, I had spare cash and didn't think about the money. The vacuum pump was bought refurbished from Blue Spruce Aviation as I recall and all the fittings and such from Fiberglast.com. The real investment was in fabrics and resin and other materials. By the time I was done, I had $1000 in the rig, but I also have enough carbon, Kevlar, S-glass and v-bagging materials to build a whole bunch of rockets or at least one decent whitewater dory - the main reason I bought all that stuff in the first place. Now if only I could afford the marine plywood and Plascore for the boat.
When doing this type of tip-to-top glassing, do you need to use special epoxy (high temperature) to keep it from delaminating at high speed? You said this rocket was simulated to go Mach 2.5. What epoxy did you use?
If you're going to do Mach 2.3, I would coat the leading edges of the fins with Cotronics high temp epoxy after doing the layup with regular epoxy like Aeropoxy or West Systems. I personally use aluminum tipped nose cones, but if you're using a straight glass cone, coat the tip of the cone too. Don't even think about using a plastic cone, it WILL melt.
W
On the tips for carbon clothed tip to tip I've used Pro-Line from Wildman. I coated the leading edge for about 4 mm. Otherwise I've used Aeropoxy (Giant Leap) laminating resin successfully. I've hit Mach 2 with it without issues. Most delamination events I've seen are on rockets that failed catastrophically under speed. I have always wondered which came first the delamination or the structural failure.
I am not sure of the heat generated on the leading edge. Most club hobby rockets don't seem to stay above mach 2 for any length of time. Ask John Wilke or James Russel, I am sure they may have some insight