I think the idea of a single entrant paying $100 and a five person team paying $500 isn't going to be popular.

That's the idea, it won't be popular and so it would make people rethink the idea of large group projects. Remember the concept was to build challenging projects, not just big. You do get rewarded for size but it's not the main source for points. In fact, it counts very little. Now, a 1/2 scale Mercury Redstone would be challenging but there are a lot of other challenging projects without asking Alan Shepard's daughter to come out and launch it...

Doug

Take it for what you will, but I like the 1xfee or 3xfee for teams idea.

I just think that the builder or team should be identified for the judges, simple "solo built upscale XYZ" or "Team built upscale ABC"

I myself would perfer the team environment due to my complete lack of experience in building an HPR. I have an idea and desire, I'd just be looking for teammates to help the whole thing along.

I myself am against team efforts just for the sake that it will knock out us low budget folks. I just hate to see this become a "most money spent wins" deal like so many contests become.

If teams are allowed, I would like to just be a judge.
Just my 2 cents 🙂

How about 2 classes, kinda like the single shot?

1) Single participant, L1 motor or smaller

2) Massive amazing group project, big honkin' motor(s)

Hmmm? 😕

I like Warren's idea of a "Teams" division and a "Singles" division.

For my part, the larger the group the harder it is to get traction. Sort of a "herding cats" thing (sorry Doug, I know you are a cat guy 😉 I think there is a point of diminishing returns, especially on a scale project. If it is a scratch build, then there is a certain amount of leeway and you can all wrap things together at the end. A scale project has its inherent challenges.

May I propose - to the Exec Committee - a "Singles" division and a "teams" division?

This is good dialogue, and it will make a terrific contest when we get right down to it.

J

How about 2 classes, kinda like the single shot?

1) Single participant, L1 motor or smaller

2) Massive amazing group project, big honkin' motor(s)

May I propose - to the Exec Committee - a "Singles" division and a "teams" division?

I second this. 😀

With a judging contest like this and at least three places, you really need at least four or more contestants. The problem with two divisions is that you double the required number of contestants or you have the potential to eliminate one or both division because not enough entrants.

Doug

As a contest, I think with the right "marketing", we could get quite a few singles and teams to participate. I'm going to contact Brent McNeely sometime in the next week or so and see what kind of exposure he can give us - just have to find the damn boxes with my keyboard, mouse and monitor cables so I can actually do something more than browse the web from my step-daughter's laptop.

Personally I think the singles and teams division has a good chance and with the appropriate "sell", we can get teams from all over participating. I'd like to see that. More to come...

Warren

I thought of another idea, not that I'm trying to be difficult, about how to "take care of" the singles vs. teams issue. If there were sufficient enough entrants to have two divisions it would be fairer to have individuals compete against individuals and likewise with teams against only teams. And with advertising, that may not be an issue.

So if the entry fee for the individual division is X dollars (still needing to be decided) then the entry fee for the teams is 0.5X for each participant for the teams. So if there are only two members of the team, they are paying as much as the individual contestants. If you have 5 team members it would be 2.5X. It allows for large teams if desired (and enough financial backing) but not a prohibitive amount.

What do you think? Too much beating a dead horse? (no cat jokes please...)

Doug

I thought of another idea, not that I'm trying to be difficult, about how to "take care of" the singles vs. teams issue. If there were sufficient enough entrants to have two divisions it would be fairer to have individuals compete against individuals and likewise with teams against only teams. And with advertising, that may not be an issue.

I totaly agree on keeping them separate. I think we will have no problem filling 2 divisions.

I would definatly like to be a judge for team event and a contestant for individual.

This is going well. Is there any way to take a vote on who would work in a small team or as an individual? A poll on the site? With numbers, the board could get a better idea of who will be participating. Granted that will change over time. And when the word gets out, we'll have people from other clubs joining in. We really don't know the effects of the individual versus (small) teams. Supposition is one thing, numbers are another. ❓

DOUG - that formula solves it all, at least in my mind? BRILLIANT!! as my British friends say. I really do like it.

BRUCE - the poll thing crossed my mind, and I had it all hammered out... then I realized that if there were a 10 member team and they each voted, it would skew the results.

I think this is distilling itself down into a nice set of rules. If we could get Brent McNeely to do a little PR on this, it might be pretty signficant.

I really like the "gag" rule, too - thattaway any single project isn't dramatized in the forums. It would be very cool to show up on game day and everyone have their project ready to go...

This would be my first-ever scale project!

JW

BRUCE - the poll thing crossed my mind, and I had it all hammered out... then I realized that if there were a 10 member team and they each voted, it would skew the results.

Hadn't thought of that... then numbers WOULD lie! AHHHH! The thing about everyone just kinda smiling at each other at launches until Oktoberfest 2009 would be really cool with the gag rule.

You know in roundy round racing, to keep competition fair, You are allowed to buy any other guys motorfor a certain price. Just think, if you set the price at say $1000.00, and your team only spent $500.00, and if some other team buys your rocket before launch, you win without even competing! 😉 Just a thought. 8) LOL The most money doesnt always win in that situation. 🙂

I too like the gag rule partially because of the excitement of finding out about them all at once but also as I mentioned to try to keep the judges of hearing about one project more than the others. But I don't know how to enforce the policy. There is a penalty for damage after the flight, I suppose there could be a penalty but I don't like that, the constitution and all. I suppose the name of the builders, the kit and the scale ONLY be posted but nothing else, no photo's, etc.

What about two contestants doing the same rocket? Should the teams know that in advance or just show up wearing the same dress, so to speak. If I plan to do a kit and I find out someone else is doing the same kit, would I change? I don't know... Comments?

Doug