State? ... where was my head? Dept. of Labor and Employment? You've got to be freakin' kidding me? 🙄 Don't explain the bureaucratic relationship... or lack of logic to this… same thing. Thanks, Greg, Mike... I used to watch rocket videos at work, too... of course, I've been in between jobs for 19 months... so I have plenty of time now. 😯

OK Folks this is some serious crap.. We need to get this into the hands of Joe and have it broadcast via Email or anyway possible. The more members that do something in support the better... If people dont pipe up then could create a lot of issues... This is a hobby.. Hell even the Feds only charged me $200 for my LEDP... with a renewal of $100. As a Current fed permit holder I say we need to step up. 1,300 bucks for a permit!!! WOW...

Does anybody in NCR with a LEUP have the state permits also?
I am wondering why the three different "types" and did anyone try to fight having to purchase 3 Types as just a "user". Thats expensive at $75.00 a piece much less $1200.00 for the Type II! The thought of going thru the process with the state, virtually duplicating the process the feds have, is not a pleasant thought. Its just a hobby!!!

Yes I have both. Like I said before Colorado does not recognize low explosives so anything that is explosive is considered high explosives so they are high explosives permits. Rocket motors are listed in their handbook as being explosive. The type I permit is the individual permit which just allows possession not storage. The type II is a business(and individual) and the type III is the storage. But in order to get the storage you have to have the type II permit. To get a type II permit you have to have a type I and vis versa. Kinda a catch 22 if you will. Plus you have to take a high explosives test to get the permits. Here is link to the regulations:

http://oil.cdle.state.co.us/Public%20Safety/Explosives/EXPLOSIVES%20REGULATIONS2005.doc

Here are the permit type definitions direct form the website:

* Type I Permit: A permit required by and issued by the Division of Oil and Public Safety to individuals who possess and control or have access to explosives materials during the use, transportation, storage, distribution, manufacturing, sale, acquisition, or purchase of explosives materials.

* Type II Permit: A permit required by and issued by the Division of Oil and Public Safety to corporations, companies, partnerships, firms, individuals operating a business, associations, or state or local government agencies involved in the use, purchase, sale, manufacture, transportation, or disposal of explosives.

* Type III Permit: A permit required by and issued by the Division of Oil and Public Safety to corporations, companies, partnerships, firms, individuals operating a business, associations, or state or local government agencies for the storage of explosives in approved magazines.

Hope this helps.

Does anybody in NCR with a LEUP have the state permits also?
I am wondering why the three different "types" and did anyone try to fight having to purchase 3 Types as just a "user". Thats expensive at $75.00 a piece much less $1200.00 for the Type II! The thought of going thru the process with the state, virtually duplicating the process the feds have, is not a pleasant thought. Its just a hobby!!!

I have my LEDP. But have not gotten my State permits. Have looked into them. Have the paperwork for them..

Each type is for a different reason. The types are Use, Storage and Transportation. (all 3 types) PLUS you have to take a test and pay a test fee. The test is that one would take if you were going into the blasting or explosives bussiness.

Besides the current amounts that I find out of line to increase them is just ridiculas. As well as having to take a test you dont need to either with the associated fee. BUT the Feds are starting to ask and require you are in compliance with all state laws and permits as well and they can revoke/penalize/whatever for you not having it..

Conway, correction "no test fee". You have to take the test but there is no fee, just the permits.

Yes the test does cover some high explosive questions but Scott helped with some of the questions since he knew I was not working with high explosive. Most of the questions are easy to guess what the correct answer and I only got one wrong.

The question was "When should you should cease explosive operations with lightning in the area"
A) When the lightning is 20 miles away
B) When the lightning is 8 miles away
C) Continue to use explosives during lightning
D) None of the above

I figured the furthest away was the correct answer but it was (B) 8 miles away.

Most of the questions are about storage, laws and how can you set off explosives like sparks, excessive heat, shock. etc. Also the test is about 30% written so not all multiple choice.

Mike , did the State come out and inspect your magazine? Is it in a residence and if so did they accept the NFPA 1122 and 1127 rules for the magazine location in a residence?

Yes Scott N. does the state inspections. Since I just got my federal LEUP he just took a quick look at the magazine and really was more concerned about distances to other house, roads etc. My magazine is in a barn/shop in the middle of 5 acres so I was good. He also allowed me to take the test during the inspection instead of having to go downtown on the testing days that they have scheduled. Scott was real nice guy to work with.

Not sure what they will do about inside a residence. Are you in a neighborhood with houses close by? I think as long as you pass the federal LEUP you should be fine with the state since they follow the federal guidelines for storage.

Yes mine is in a attached garage. It is within 25' of another residence but it is a reinforced concrete bunker and a US Explosives magazine. The ATF agent was "OK" with it only if the Fire Marshall was. The Fire Marshall said no at first but when I pointed out that the City adhered to the International Fire Code which does allow for what ever NFPA 1122 and NFPA 1127 calls for they issued me a renewable "no fee" permit. The only restriction is a 25lb limit on propellant. Who is Scott N?

Sorry, Scott Narreau is the Colorado state explosives inspector. He administers the tests and deals with permits and inspections for the state of Colorado division of Oil and Public Safety.

Mike,

You said the public meeting is Wednesday July 11th, but the 11th is a Friday.

Is there a site to verify the day/date?

Ed

Sorry for the mis-excommunication. it is Friday the 11th. That is what it says on my letter and I verified it on their web site.

Thanks,

I'll be there.

I just got a letter in the mail today that the fee change meeting on this Friday the 11th has been canceled and will be rescheduled at a latter time. There was no date givin for the rescheduled date but once I find out, I will let everyone know.

Thanks for the update Mike, maybe I will be able to make the new date.

Art